Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. But after World War II priority shifted to rehabilitating the existing system and even through Utica Ave would be featured in many of the post-War expansion plans there always seemed to be other projects that got chosen first. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. Abandoned Stations List; . Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy something like that on pillars in refurbished station? The Fulton route would have a bottleneck closer in at the crossings around Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Awkward transfer? Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. The point of Utica Ave is that riders are trying to get downtown so who would ever ride the 4 all the way out just to switch to the A when they could have just gotten on the A at the first place. But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! The 5 is already going express and with further station spacing you would still have good run times. I just disagree with a Worth St subway being the best choice, since unlike the Second Avenue tracks, the Eighth Av local does have capacity constraints in the railroad north direction (both CPW local and 53 St have two services each, which is about as much as you want to push on a pair of tracks before service gets too unreliable). The station spacing was done to keep costs down. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. Look at the ceiling from the open platform, and at the mezzanine area at the north end. Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. Off-road (Chicago style). The closest stations to Utica Avenue are: Utica Av/Beverly Rd is 115 yards away, 2 min walk. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. In 1977, the fight to save Utica Union Station and the Adirondack Railway's plans to reopen the abandoned Utica-Lake Placid line prompted formation of the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter. Got to be local? There are no flaws in this plan. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). Secondly is that the IND plan, like most of their plans, was wildly over designed and would require extra miles of subway from Eastern Parkway to the Lower East Side as well as a much wider 4 track trunk line instead of the IRTs proposed 2/3 track line (much like the New Lots branch the line would have been built with 2 tracks and space for a third to be added later). The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Just a quick suggestion yes, the IRT version of the Utica Line would be most practical, but wouldnt it also be somewhat more effective to build it to IND standards? Contents 1 History 2 Station layout 2.1 Unfinished station 2.2 Exits I dont really see the need for a peak direction track this far out. My first thought was that this doesnt jibe with LEX being the busiest single line but then I tallied the ridership numbers for the three lines that go up the west side for a number thats 2 and a half times as big. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. I often speak with other fantasy transit designers about Utica and the IND plan seems to be the favorite and for good reason. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. There were homes here and there, but the area was full of empty lots until the postwar years. Now we dont want that, do we? Weekends the 3 runs in Bkyln so it can serve New Lots as usual on weekends. Go for a [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Messing that up is messing a lot of commuters daily commute. Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. tph, equal to 16 A Div. Like on the Jamaica el. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. [30] In 2015, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced his proposal for an extension of the 3 and 4 trains down Utica Avenue. We dont need to tear down the EL. will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius Looking into the window reveals a cinder-block wall that were erected to prevent glimpses into the closed portion of the intermediate level mezzanine. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. Hey, me again. This leads me to propose that the first part of the plan to be built is the Utica Ave stretch from Eastern Parkway to Kings Plaza connecting to the IRT Eastern Parkway Line but with provisions for a future extension north (all tunnels would be built to the larger B division specs). Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. In order to avoid trains passing at grade you need to segregate the local and express trains. The one on the west (railroad north) is staffed weekdays only and accessed via a wide staircase in place of the end wall of the New Lots Avenue-bound platform. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. from those two subway stations Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. If the C leaves, the A becomes even more crowded/congested. Its not a great idea but I was going off what I heard. It stands to reason, then, that the massive South 4th Subway with branches to Utica Ave and along Myrtle Ave was designed to replace the Broadway and Myrtle Ave Els as well. I was talking with someone at the MTA and they mentioned that the planners were playing with the idea of building the relay along side the Bay Ridge because there was more space/cheaper than extending a tunnel south. The majority, 27, go to the Lexington Ave. services and with a few additional 4 trains that terminate after downtown Brooklyn the LEX express tracks are totally maxed out. Queens has the big unmet demand; its got the 12th and 25th busiest stations in the system as TERMINALS! Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) Top track level I think I can solve that problem and still have a train servicing East NY&Brownsville, Mill Basin, and Flatbush/East Flatbush. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. The I-beams and other steel work along the track walls are painted in dark blue. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. The New Lots branch of the IRT ascends to the surface right after it leaves Eastern Parkway (due very much to the terrain) and it would make sense that the IRT would have the Utica Line do the same. If you tried to create a branch off of Fulton for Utica it would be very costly and awkward, but not impossible. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. A lower cost solution to your previous Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. A hybrid of 1 and 6: The el is still over roadway Youre less likely to be the goat. The station has four tracks and two island platforms, typical for a four-track express station. Yet youd have it built to B division clearances. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. The two street stairs here lead to either mall of Eastern Parkway west of Utica Avenue. Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. 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The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). It looks to be about two miles long. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. Just an idea! The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) Unusually, there are two mezzanine levels; the upper mezzanine level was closed off after a 1995 renovation, and the lower mezzanine level is actually the platform level of the unbuilt Utica Avenue line. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. Viaducts where possible. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. Flatbush Ave is extra wide along this section and the median would be used to create a safer traffic pattern. The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. So are you proposing adding a branch that runs north of Eastern Parkway to Fulton St? Some of your points might show good benefits of IRT use but only in part. The 9 residences, all located at Avenue M can all be replaced (and with new development replaced 100 times over) while the commercial and industrial buildings would all be replaced by buildings of much higher density and better uses than chop shops. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. A 2 track line would only require half the space, 45 feet and with 100ft lots this leaves room for an ingenious workaround. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. And normal service would still be able to run. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. Diamond crossover tracks exist west (railroad north) of the station for northbound trains and east for southbound trains. Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. In California money itd be about 2. Eastern Py Utica Av. My thinking is that the train has to slow down and then speed up for the stop in the station anyway. Past the fence, there was a tiled wall with a door. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. 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