From the fitting we went from 1 degree upright to 2 degrees flat and he added a 1/4 inch length due to more flat. at that price, for DG stocks is ridiculous. There are a couple minor changes to the AP2 714 irons that make the biggest difference. Enter any Giveaway, and we select winners randomly. I had a hard time choosing between the MP54 and the 712-AP2 but, the new 714 AP2s are simply a joy to strike and I was able to carry the long irons 5-10yds further. Above: A 714 AP1 iron, compared the Titleists 714 MB blade irons. I was expecting a chunky topline and significant offset in the M2, but its footprint looked almost exactly the same as the M1, outside of the chrome finish on the M2 versus the frosted finish of the M1. Any chance you could compare the AP1s with the new TM SpeedBlades? Ive always taken a significant divot with my wedges, but my first swing resulted in a solid, crisp shot with a thinner divot. Not surprisingly, my launch angle and peak height with the TW737-Vs was slightly lower across the board. All rights reserved. The AP2 has a beautiful standover look with a thin top line which was a big reason for my switch. You can find all thespecs on the Honma site here. Waited for the ball to come down and WTH, with the roll out it was 5-8 yards longer than balls hit with M1, and that is with a few toe shots. I went in wanting the AP2 with steel and walked out with an order for AP1 with graphite. At least offer, Sensicore. Since their introduction in 2007, the AP2 series has been almost synonymous with players irons. Previous AP2 models have been recognized as a leader in combining feel and control without sacrificing distance. Everything about the shotfelt perfect. Now, this was interesting, the M2 was quieter then the M1 weird! These enhancements were made throughout then entire iron set for better . The M2 isa definite game improvement iron, while the M1 was similar in size and shape to my previous irons, Titleist AP1s. Many GolfWRX Memberswill already be familiar with Honma Golf, known for itsintricately crafted clubsand as one of the most prestigious, fastest-growing golf brands in the world. John: Its super forgiving and just goes and goes. I did some smooth swings and then very aggressive swings and was a little amazed at this iron. By Todd S. Does anyone know were I can find AP2 714 Specs? Dont know if that was from the REAX shaft, but would love to find a less spinning shaft to correct that. Standard specs. December 29, 2016 at 07:32 PM Might be a little harder to hit knock down shots, though. I thought the M2 7-iron would look clunkier than it really is. To make them look better, they changed the hosel blend to minimize the visible offset. Compared to the forged 714 CB irons, the 714 AP2 irons will not give you as much feedback or be as easy to shape. Just like the M1, it does not have the forged feeling and does have a clicky sound (which I hate). Wow, can you say up, up and away? When I get to the point where the new AP1s are too easy to hit or I cant hit my normal draw and 2 times a round fade, i will think about moving to forged clubs. Ive been playing with an old set of Tommy Armour blades, but Ive been recently wanting more forgiveness for when Im stuck with my B or C swing. Less glare looking down on the iron. According to my laser, flush shots were going 195 yards (my usual blade 5 iron distance) and very high. Played 710 AP1s with Reg NS105T shafts, too soft and high and hooking. More photos Spencer Ralston whats in the bag accurate as of the RSM Classic. Fed-Specs Co generates approximately USD 190,000 in revenue annually, and employs around 4 people at this location. Besides being married to the same wonderful woman for more than 40 years, father to two great kids and grandfather to 2.5-plus more, I am a dedicated, life-long golfer. Keep an eye out for the perks. Overall, I just really like how these irons look at address. I have a 9-11 handicap and play 1-2 times a week. The next 5-10 I really went after it, same CRACK and ball just flew but to my surprise it was a nice draw, harder draw than the first but it was a nice 10-yard draw. I am a 15 handicap. I could see as the fitting progressed tHat the ball-striking moved to more and more center. The irons played so easy. Not painful, just felt very dead. Got fitted today and went with the AP1 with graphite. This tungsten weighting paired with a slight "cavity" make for a lighter and longer version of the AP2's long irons than previously seen in the 712 generation. I was a 14 hdcp when I went to the AP2s three years ago. I went standard lie and stock tru tempers. Tour-proven distance comes from consistent speed. The club was super forgiving and if not for the insanely high ball flight, I would love to have a set of these for when my swing is out of sorts. purchsed a set of ping i20 irons only 6 months ago and have sent them back after the weights falling out of three of them (7/8/9) the last straw was that they all had started to split on the back edge, i believe that this is a on going problem, very dissapointed these are suppose to be the bees being american and all, wonder where they are made ? With that correction, the pro assuaged any fears I had of moving to a blade-like club. Back 9 a 39. Being the intelligent golf-equipment users they are, GoflWRX Members are able to provide the most-informed and unbiased reviews on the Internet. LOOK: It garners top marks in the test; slimmed down and trimmed up sleek, rich, classy; good luck getting strokes with these in the bag. Damn, 200 yards with a 7 iron! Has a very odd sound on contact, almost sounds a tad like a fairway wood ting. Great looking club but not Titleist best effort. Item Information. I hit these at the Titleist fitting center in Oceanside CA last week and they are beautiful. Cons: The AP1 long irons will still be a bit clunky for some golfers. Like a few reviews above, I purchased a near new set of AP2 714's and they are plush! The launch monitor data backed up what I was seeing on the course. Photos: 5 iron soles of the 714 AP2 (left) and the 712 AP2 (right). Besides the finish being a little bit different, the difference between the M1 and M2 is actually pretty small. Having been told I have a good swing. Feel is subjective, butI love the way these clubs feel. No regrets here with going AP2s. View the Custom Options Book Shaft Performance Guide. The Titleist AP2 irons have always been the perfect blend of players and forgiveness. However, I may rethink. But when hit nearer the center, the iron felt fantastic. I love the high ball flight on the range, but I have a concern what that ball flight would be like on the course. Used for about 9 holes and one trip to the range. Short irons are so pure though. Tour World also happens to be the line played by their tour pros like Hideto Tanihara, who has the TW737-Vs in his bag. Above: Photo of the new 714 AP2 (left) and the 712 AP2 (right). VERY forgiving on thin strikes. I am done with Mizunomuch harsher, shorter, and less forgiving. If you are getting up in years or not playing as much, it will bring some confidence back. I am still getting used to the clubs, I have only played 2 rounds with them so far. Again for the blade length, the 714 AP2 is one of the highest MOI irons in the market and even for low single figure players this is going to give benefits. The 9-iron had the biggest gap, but the TW737-Vs is also 2 degrees stronger. My wife shot 47,43. . My misses are typically thin and toward the toe, and there was a very noticeable difference with the 714 AP1 irons at providing almost no distance loss. I wonder if I could get away with the AP-2s Maybe a combo set? Was just not sure it the other sights info was correct. As a result, the AP1 714 irons underwent an extensive redesign. With the 3 and 4-irons, toe shots generatedquite a bit more left spin, but heel shots didnt really impact the flight. I too own and currently play the 714 version and I wanted to reference the specifications too - only to notice that they were no longer online. Hitting a 3 or 4-iron around the middle provided plenty of feedback, but the more pure the strike, the less feeling there was. Bought mine today! The half-mirror finish on the face and top line cuts down the glare at address. Stock Info The 714 AP1s are available in one of three stock shafts ( True Temper XP95, Kuro Kage 65 or Kuro Kage 50) and the Titleist Tour Velvet Grip. I did notice that the soles finish did scratch pretty easily. I am hitting my 9 iron 145-150 yards, that used to be my 8 iron. Couldn't be more pleased. Myexpectation going into launch monitor testing was that Id see a flatter trajectory, lower peak height, similar distance and spin, and a decent amount of help on mishits. It was a windy afternoon and about 100 degrees. That weight was then moved low and deep in the iron heads, lowering the irons already low center of gravity (CG) to offer a higher flight for more distance and forgiveness. I am a real sweeper, but am starting to age and play less. Titleist offers an extensive selection of shafts, grips, specifications and other customization options to help you perform to your potential. The smooth lines, the classic branding and head shape, and simple black, white, and silver color scheme makes for a high-end look of professionalism. My wife who is a 25 is a new golfer. Bill plays Scott Readman Concepts putters and accessories. The sole grind has more camber. Great club. I like the design of the M1 and its visual appearance at address. The thing I have had to adjust is that they seem to be one stronger than my old set. had them out for a few holes this evening, spot on. I can only describe a shot off the sweet spot as textbook crisp and pure. Knocking down the AP2 irons is a dream. Cant game a players iron anymore, and testing this one just reaffirmed that. I dont know what you had previously to the AP 2s but did you notice any distance loss? Even though it is classified as a players iron, it doesnt seem so tiny that it would be tough to hit. Controlling trajectory is very important in my neck of the woods (or more accurately, lack of woods), because of the ever-present Kansas winds. The M2, on the other hand, is an iron on steroids. They offer that mix of easy to hit for even a mid handicapper, but performance minded enough for the low handicapper. The indoor centers tell you very little. simply looking for a second source as the technical specs of the actual clubs this year seem a bit harder to come by than they have been in the past and most of . I was fit for these on a Trackman at the TPI Oceanside facilities and have hit them on myFlightscopeindoors here at home. These are both beautiful clubs. They are easy to get lift, yet have a strong trajectory for consistent distance. Moving down through the set the 5-iron plays just the same and when you reach the 6-iron, things change as the lofts from here on down are 1 degree stronger than the 712 AP2 irons with the P wedge now 46 degrees. You earn it. I ended up with my set 1* upright and 1* strong. Much more harsh when mishit though, but I knew that was coming. There is very minimal offset and the length of the club head from heel to toe isjust right. Feels and sounds quite nice to my ears at impact. Most sets dont typically include these, but this wedge has been money for me. The built-in forgiveness makes for a little sweeter and softer feel than your basic blade which in turn makes you more confident on each swing. This years model were both better in my eyes. It doesnt have extreme grinds, but holding them up you can notice the rounder sole, which makes for better turf interaction. Titleist 915H 24* D+ 90s Titleist AP2 718, 5-50* Steelfiber i95s . My last set was strong lofted (TaylorMade RocketBladez ). However the 4-iron is so easy to hit that you may want the 3. Take it one step further, Ive also been looking toput forged clubs in the bag and make the move to the better-player iron category, but I was hesitant for a variety of reasons. The AP1 714 irons have progressive sole widths (wider with length), blade lengths and top lines, with a satin polish finish and bright polish cavity highlights. The first 10 balls I hit were with M1 and 6/10 felt great, while the other 4 were toe hits, which I felt and the distance reflected that. When I stated that about the 712 irons I meant that they are the standard by which other irons will be judged and holding to that standard of excellence, the AP2 714s move the bar higher. I rotated clubs every 5 shots and went through multiple rounds with each club. The numbers were there as was the performance. I decided on the TW737-Vs because I wanted the extra performance and forgiveness. CONS Hope this helps. The 714 AP1s provide additional distance and forgiveness to golfers who are willing to sacrifice some feel and control. I am not the most skilled iron player, but I was able to work draws and fades with the AP2s with the same degree of success I am able to achieve with smaller forged irons. They are so balanced I stay on plane better and I can feel the weight of the shaft in the backswing instead of all club head weight. Each model includes Honmas unified face progression and center of gravity design, which essentially allows for slight changes in sole width, face thickness, and head size based on loft, while keeping the same offset. Each of the clubs were built with the stock lofts and shafts M2 2017 (28.5 degrees) with a TaylorMade Reax shaft, and M1 2017 (30.5 degrees) with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300 shaft and the testers were instructed to post their review of the clubs here. I tested the TW737-Vs on SkyTrak against myTaylorMade RSi 2s using Bridgestone Tour B330 balls. The AP2 irons will cost $1099 with True Temper Dynamic Gold steel shafts. The subtle changes from the 712s to the 714s are just enough to notice the benefits on the course yet still feel in that comfort zone with these irons. I also maybe should have gotten a split set with AP1 4, 5 and maybe 6. Because of distance issues have had to chip and put way more often. People please, dont buy stock off the shelf.get fit, order a custom set, play better. Where is Fed-Specs Co located? One GolfWRX member said he was weak in the knees from first look at the satin finish and compact size, and that the feel is excellent, and theres just enough forgiveness. Another said the JPX-900 Tour irons are the best irons out there right now in terms of blending feel, forgiveness, and the ability to shape shots., Full List:The Best Players Irons of 2017, I cant say I have ever hit anything that feels as good as the PXG., With more 21 percent of votes for the Best Exotics Players Irons of 2017, PXGs 0311T irons were described by GolfWRX members as a great looking club, and that they felt unbelievable. When comparing the irons to Titleists 716 MB irons, one member said, The fact that you can barely tell if it has or doesnt have more offset than the MB 7 iron just shows how little it has., Full List:The Best Exotic Players Irons of 2017, Apex CF is simply the most explosive, best feeling iron Ive ever hit in this category., Acquiring nearly 20 percent of votes of all models in the Best Game-Improvement Iron category, GolfWRX Members described the Callaway Apex CF 16 irons as simply the most explosive, and that they perform very well on center hits and almost as good on mishits., Full List: The Best Game-Improvement Irons of 2017, The Ping G takes what Ping has done for years and added in increased ball speed, improved feel and much better looks.. Most shots I hit with it seemed to fall out of the sky (very likely a lack of spin). Ive played these clubs for 2 years and think for a forged club they are very forgiving. KEY TECHNOLOGIES: Short irons have a thicker upper face for a higher CG, more penetrating flight and enhanced feel. Didnt get any great distance advantage as compared to my D300. I even went under par for 9 holes, which isnt bad for a -7 handicapper. The mass low and right in the middle of the face conveys a sense of power, and the designers leftplenty of material on the toe and heel to help minimize mishits. I have the original AP-1s from 2007 and Ive been looking to upgrade. So much for being bought and sold by Taylormade. WOW! All rights reserved. Titleist did it again and set the bar even higher for 2014 irons. The Titleist just felt better to me. Precise iron play means controlling both trajectory and distance to stop your shot near the pin. Weakest part of my game for the past few years has been my long and sometimes mid-irons. Call: 714-765-5196 or Email ACH/Hearing Impaired TDD: 714-765-5125 Office: Mon. And to me, standing over the 714 AP2 irons is a joy. . BUY THE CLUB: Get your own Titleist AP2 714 irons, NEXT REVIEW: Wilson Staff FG Tour V4 Irons, From Golf Magazine ClubTest 2014, April 2014. He watched me hit golf balls and etc. The satin finish also removes glare problems at address, and the tastefulness of the AP1 badging avoids the garishness of some other game-improvement clubs. The most advanced, solid feeling and forgiving Tour played irons weve ever made. This allows you to swing a little more freely and not have to worry about fighting the club to get ideal shot trajectories. Hi Todd for some reason, Titleist changed their website to remove the specs on the 714 AP2. For that, I give my thanks to Richard, Ryan, Zak and all my teammates at GolfWRX. Inconsistent misses. Other than the sound, it played exactly like the M1: long and straight. Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock. 'Jailbreak for irons' adds ballspeed and stability. Like the other testers, I found the M2 to launch the ball much higher and is 10-to-15 yards longer than my Adams XTD forged 7 iron. If youre looking for more distance, you need to try these out. With some practice, I had luck hitting knock down 7-iron shots, but I didnt completely conquer the wedge. Have you tried some of the game improvement clubs like the cobra s3? AP2 all the way. Titleist 714 AP2 offset By Decibel, August 9, 2021 in WRX Club Techs Reply to this topic Start new topic Decibel Advanced Members 152 It was just too much larger than the blades I grew up hitting into greens, and much less workable. I think someone like myself (9 index) still doesnt have the ball striking ablility to use the AP2 as it was designed and would be more of an ego thing. The 714 AP2 features more meaningful changes under the skin, but not so major that they change the characteristics of the AP2 chassis that has been so successful. I have gamed the 710 AP2s and 712 AP2s and just couldnt get on with either and went swiftly back to my 710MBs. like the cbs and mbs, titleist has anchored their 5 iron length for both the ap1 and ap2 and 38", however; while some seemed to overlook titleist's participation in the scourge that is loft-jacking last time around, one look at the 44 pitching wedge in the ap1s, and any argument that titleist doesn't play the same distance game as taylormade, These irons offer considerable forgivenesson mishits, and their slightly stronger lofts generate plenty of distance for abetter-player forged iron. Buttery feel on contact, same accuracy, higher ball flight, incredibly easy to get the ball in the air. According to the company, the process creates more density in the club face, especially high on the face. ACCURACY/FORGIVENESS: Lock and load a generous sweet spot for a players club; theres a great mix of accuracy and built-in forgiveness. Condition: Used Used I got the ball closer to my target with these irons. I cant help but think golf would be a whole lot easier, particularly longer courses with long par 3s, with a full set of these in my bag. We have edited each of the posts for brevity, clarity and grammar. Additionally, it looks like one of the finest crafted clubs you are going to come across. I hit one of the most solid shots of the day, and it landed just a few feet away from the pin. That was proved by sales of the irons, which in 2013 became Titleists No. Yeah, I like my AP2s alot. Available in right- and left-hand. Q4. The ball really popped of the club face, but wasnt a ballon flight. There is a progressive offset that reduces as you go through the set and the extra blending around the hosel means that you notice this even less. Justin Rose posts mysterious custom JR irons on Instagram. For me, the TW737-Vs 9-iron is essentially an 8.5-iron, so I went with 9-iron and played to the center with a little draw. Your email address will not be published. My handicap is 16, so Im absolutely in need of improvement but not sure if I want to go with the AP1. With my old set, it would have been a smooth8-iron (a full 9-iron is a reliable 145 yard carry). Hitting both the 714 AP1 and AP2 irons drove home this point as few clubs have. The 3-7 irons use an industry-leading amount of tungsten to improve launch, ball speed and forgiveness. It felt much more smooth and solid as the M2 had a clicky, cheap feel. I am not a huge fan of the bright-yellow badging, but I probably could get over it. I really don't know why, except to say that it seemed to coincide with Jordan Spieth's decision in 2016 to play with the 714 AP2's rather than the 716 version -- until recently. I feel more confident in trying to work the ball with the M1. Obviously you cant see this and the swing weight is still D2 throughout the set so from a feel perspective nothing changes. In addition to looking great, the AP2s are true performers out on the golf course too. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. The M1s fluting is only on the rear of the club. To gather their votes and feedback, we as acompany first neededto properly sort the irons into categories. Thanks for the info. These are supposed to be as forgiving as the original AP1 so the only problem would be finding the right lofts for gapping. Pros:Incredible feel all the way through the bag. Original owner. Start the New Year right with InsideGOLF ($100 value - just $20). www.titleist.com//titleist-introduces-new-ap1-and-ap2-irons, Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights. Trying to decide between 714 AP 1 & AP 2. I had been playing AP1 710's and found a great deal on a set of AP2 714's. Finally got out to the range after getting these bad boys in on Friday. And the striking beauty of both the AP1 and AP2 714s is a wonderful icing on the cake. Really wanted to like the 716 but didn't like the looks or feel. Do you already play with Titleist golf clubs? Bottom line: M2 is the longest iron I have ever hit. Shaft is too light, Even though Im a 2-handicap and dont fit the M2 mold, I could see myself playing this club from 4-6 iron (although gapping would be a major issue mixing these with almost anything else) if it had a heavier shaft in it (I can only imagine how far this 4 iron must go yikes). No wonder they went went straight into the bags of Jason Dufner and Jordan Spieth. . Hit the M1 next, and same type of feel when hit solid. Didnt seem to matter what kind of swing I put on it, the ball launched high, flat and dead straight. Titleist Mens AP2 714 Irons feature: Set includes: #3 thru PW (46) #4 thru PW (46) #4 thru W1 (50) Available separately: W1 (50) More carry distance from higher launching, low center of gravity long irons and thicker face, flatter launching short irons Solid feel through the set from the progressive center of gravity (lower in the long irons) Above: A 714 AP2 (left) and the 712 AP2 (right) at address (both 5 irons). The mid irons are probably the best weapons of this set. Not a fan I could, however, easily game the M2s. Driver: Titleist TOUR REPORT: 10 takeaways from a WILD week in golf equipment at Kapalua, GolfWRX Launch Report: 2023 Callaway Paradym drivers, Gary Woodland signs multi-year deal with Cobra, Tony Finau shows off dramatic swing change at Tournament of Champions, GolfWRX Spotted: Collin Morikawas new TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus driver, 3-wood. Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! I cannot separate from them. This year marks the companys first entry into national Hot List competitions, and you can now find and test some of their products, such asthe TW737 irons, in big-box golf stores like the PGA Superstore. Cant rock my Clevelands with those new shiny AP2s in the bag!! Thanks for the info. Short game improvement with Vokey wedges. Sensicore?!?! Both offerings are serious tools for serious golfers and should be respected as such. Thought the same thing, i just cant see that big of improvement ill stick with my AP2 712 since i did get the KBS Tour shafts in them. Once again, its one of the top-performing models in the test. Titleist AP1 714 Irons. And the changes to new AP2s set the bar even higher for what just might be the best forged cavity-back irons in golf. Titleist offers an extensive selection of shafts, grips, specifications and other customization options to help you perform to your potential. I am going to miss the AP2 but I wont mis the distance loss on off center hits. The shot control, even for this semi-skilled, elderly hacker speaks well for what is possible for the AP2 714s in the hands of a more accomplished player. I really don't know why, except to say that it seemed to coincide with Jordan Spieth's decision in 2016 to play with the 714 AP2's rather than the 716 version -- until recently. Please sign in to comment; Dino J. Dino J Burnaby, BC. They do not come up under previous models Like the 710 and 712 do. The M1 definitely was more suited for my eye, and produced more consistent ball flights. 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