Whatever you do, just work hard. Talking about Marquez and. Depends on the instructor. NEIL WILLIAMS: Then I ended up more so reading more recently in the last ten years, I don't knowfascinations with otherworldly things, unexplained things, unexplained phenomenons, UFOs or undiscovered species or missing people, missing time, interesting mysteries. Really enlightened. Like, "Viola, it's really great, it's really beautiful, but if you did this, we'd save me a couple hours of work here." MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. Like, he would earlier talk about you becoming a writer more so than a clay person because it wasit was essential to life's calling and consciousness. NEIL WILLIAMS: It's mind and body. MIJA RIEDEL: It sounds as if you're saying that the system itself is not well-suited to keeping vital dynamic instructors there on a regular basis. NEIL WILLIAMS: She has a degree from U.C. [Laughs.]. NEIL WILLIAMS: He would write stuffI mean, I'd find little notes all over the place, little critiques about, you know. MIJA RIEDEL: I think that's what I was trying to get at earlier, is that straddling of the personal and the universal that works, that seems profound and present in her work. NEIL WILLIAMS: And if you look at so many aspects of ceramics and pottery, it's extremely important in every culture. MIJA RIEDEL: Was it a big change, then, for Viola? Possibly a perfect example of a horse making the Jockey. She was tough in the first place, but I also know that it helped her toughen her up in a number of ways because it helped her with thehe helped her with the identifying and articulating the verbiage behind her imagery. He's still an amazing guy, same sense of humor. Some of them were meant to be shooting stars, of course. NEIL WILLIAMS: Other than that justlike you'd mentioned last night, earlieror about the second day talking, and feeling more comfortable about what to say and how to say it. Okay. I was hooked on and was dedicated to making vessels as a concept. He is creative, passionate about his work, quirky, self-motivated but above all, has a huge heart and is so pleasant to work with. We had to read everything from Van Gogh's letters to Theo to Shgun to Invisible Man from Emerson [Ralph Ellison] toI mean there was a wonderful poetry series that Michael McClure at Arts and Crafts sponsored one of the Beat Generation guys. kind elderly gentleman spent the whole week hanging these plates, and he would measure each one and try and hang it so that they looked spatially balanced. He said they were crying and hanging on each other and weeping. I mean, some of the stuff, I mean way back, in every culture. He didn't deserve it. . Did she encourage you? And it was like, Viola read it, and it ended up on the floor of her truck with footprints on it, because she would embrace these things; she was, "Alright I own it," and it wasshe wasn't attached to those kinds of things. NEIL WILLIAMS: And it didn't make sense to me right away, but there's no reason why it alldrawing and painting color can't apply to a simple vessel. NEIL WILLIAMS: I haven't doubted it since, but I've had moments of, you know, 'what the hell am I doing,' but at the same time I've always known that's what I was going to do. She said, "It might not be very self-respectable after a few years, but". NEIL WILLIAMS: Well Stephane Janssen did the same thing, too for. ", MIJA RIEDEL: Hmm. MR] I think it's a source of interest because it was so unusual. I love that scene, "Bring out your dead." Other than Viola, of course. And I believe the bricks came from a factory across the road, which built a number of houses. NEIL WILLIAMS: Which are operations guys. So, there is something that's stimulating and it's not something that I want to obsess over or completely give a lot of energy to. [Affirmative. And then they'll bump somebody out and it's like, what happened to that person? And we sat with himbecause Lee forgot some equipment, had to run off. NEIL WILLIAMS: it just slipped her mind, because she was on to other things. 0000001196 00000 n They were work, but it was the idea of making a column that washad a little figurative feel to it. Maybe starting with the plates. 0 [Affirmative.] Especially, she thought it could be for any artist when they reach a crisis period in life. I am, and I. make sure the graphviz executables are on your systems' path. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. Neil is a thoroughly decent person who won't let you down and a creative without 'the attitude'' that so often comes with such talents. And then he also, with his extraordinary knowledge, helped to give some context. She said, "You know, it's all about the magic that happens in the studio, and everything else is secondary, and either manageable or tolerable. NEIL WILLIAMS: Another five years, the back. NEIL WILLIAMS: And of course Cheri [Williams], of course Cheri. ", NEIL WILLIAMS: In fact she talked about when she was young and smoking all the time, she would have to stop and smoke and stop and she realized, "Oh my god." She thought that if more of them had this simple little formula, this simple little exercise might have helped in another crisis period in time that so many artists, I meanRothko, Van Gogh, Gorkywe lost all of them in a certain period of time, when they reach that crisis period. Yeah. Because I had been back up here, but I would go back to help. Young Elder Andersen borrowed money, found a job and started classes at BYU. But technically, I like pushing that to the point where it just looks like it's ready to collapse. . I got to have a show." Before they went to just color field, and more of a wash water color block of areas of color. NEIL WILLIAMS: I never doubted that. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, they have personally, I haveyou know there's an empowering thing there and hopefully if they ask some questions, or if they challenge the viewer, orI remember, what was it, Elmer Bishchoff Studio once with Lee Fatherree for the photographing, and it was in his later years. 0000112045 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: There wassome of thebacking upsome of the good about the galleries, when something would sell through certain galleries, like Betty Asher or Rena, they would tell you who it sold to andbut Dorothy, I think at the time, Weiss was being a little insecure, so she wouldn't tell me for the longest time. Even though taking the time can be a sacrifice, temple attendance can provide peace, shared BYU student Jessie Ebert. And there's a whole other story about a local dentist who did these huge, enormous, really terrible sculptures, that came up about thewe'll go take a look at them later maybe and laugh at them. . 0000057725 00000 n MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. H\@y P]% 1qt&b> B@/|&k~]JtwnvihavopS)\>rvq|6zL6?IUGw{)s\{9~7?^O|uFfhm0%$*6zM*. But they make sense. NEIL WILLIAMS: They becameno, they were in sections. MIJA RIEDEL: That's a point worth making, because you haven't had a regular teaching job, you haven't had a regular, MIJA RIEDEL: It doesn't seem like there's a regular production pottery practice either, so. And he was harmlessgot caught selling weed in the wrong time. 0000005718 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: Certainly, getting to art school and studying art history and going to galleries and museums and seeing the incrediblewhat had comehad already come. So it was a completely different sense. I was just a kid. Davis who, when she passed away, it went to a U.C. Yeah. Gosh, who was there then, [Vernon] Coykendall, NEIL WILLIAMS: Boy, I can't think of who else was then. MIJA RIEDEL: That actually leads beautifully to this next question, which is, do you think there's a difference between artists that are trained in a university and artists that learn another way? Completely. I think it was a hand with a carrot mold piece, and then she wanted to do a whole figure in bronze, and paint it in alkyd oils and it justforit sat and she painted it for a while, and it was outdoors. NEIL WILLIAMS:off the deep end, if Iyou know I used tothere was a period it was like I'd look and I'd see what other people were doing and the attention and the accolades and thesome other peopleand the independence and the ability that they had to explore because they could afford to then. NEIL WILLIAMS: I don't knowwhere thatI didn't knowunderstand what that was about. NEIL WILLIAMS: You mean, besides all the wonderful crazy friends I grew up with? And they likethen there was this huddle. In high school, there were ceramics classes? I think that's actually an interesting [aspect of MR] a working relationship. So, I don't know if that answers your question or helps to. But, he gave her a really good review. NEIL WILLIAMS: They bring a, "Oh my God, what have I done?". MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. Yeah, hopefullyI mean, we all hope that our lives and our efforts mean something a little bit more, but not to the point where we getthat they're debilitating to us, that we get obsessed with trying to say something and then not being able to say it, because we're obsessed with trying to say something. And, there's this big ritual behind it, and there's maybe 200 or 300 people captivated there and listening. So, that's how these have evolved and stayed interesting. While many people do not always speak openly of their faith in God, they very naturally believe in God, and in times of crisis, their prayers and hopes ascend to God, Elder Andersen said. I like working hard. So, I mean, "immortality" might be a little grandiose, but it's all inI think how you want to be remembered, what you want to leave behind. And someone else said, "It's 90 percent labor and 10 percent magic." We thought he was going to have a stroke. NEIL WILLIAMS: That'sthat makes sense to me. And those thingsyou never knew what happened to them. NEIL WILLIAMS: Andso very fortunate. and passed away. Located in the Donald W. Reynolds Center for American Art and Portraiture (8th and F Streets NW), Size: 5 sound files (4 hr., 9 min. And it showed up on my birthday, and this was from 1947, and it's like "I didn't even know they were having full nudes, let alone African American nudes, in drawing classes at U.C. Because I was 2D at the time. When I spoke with Rena, she talked about introducing Viola to Patterson Sims. trailer Behind him are BYU students who shared testimonies and experiences during his address. NEIL WILLIAMS: And they're all looking off indifferent directions with this vacant, yet intriguing look on their faces. Mrs. Tremble. Viola, I know, really missed it in her life, I think, because she didn't have those connections with many people, or certainly no childhood long friends that she was close to. And I always thought a good writer, just like a good painting or sculpture, should take you on a journey. She used to work there in the summers, she liked being around the students. MIJA RIEDEL: It's captivating, completely engrossing. NEIL WILLIAMS: I mean, I don't know howwhere they, after I left, whether they were pursued and that's thebut I can only assume that they didn't take off like. What kinds of connections in order to keep you fueled up and keep you resourcing? MIJA RIEDEL: Interesting, because she made such a clear distinction between her own work and pottery. His tangents were always really fascinating to me, when he would go off onand then, he would just run out of gas and say, "There; I'm done. ", NEIL WILLIAMS: So I was her first assistant which was really, MIJA RIEDEL: So, you graduated high school. A little more than 50 years ago, Elder Neil L. Andersen returned to his familys small dairy farm in Idaho after completing his mission to France. You got to be making work you love to look at becauseand surround yourself with because you may have to." I thought it started with the grandfather. I mean, she's making huge vases. And they were always done in pairs. So, nothing came to you in terms of a new thought, or a new perspective, ornow I'll approach it from a slightly different angle today? NEIL WILLIAMS: and she got them in there. I don't know, like, as far as, "Oh, my gosh, I'm going to be on a schedule now, then, and I have to maintain this." NEIL WILLIAMS: so she worked fluidly if we had 10 or a dozen going in molds. NEIL WILLIAMS: The earlier ones, Ithe Mystery Man Series, and then the additions she did for Crocker for her retrospective, NEIL WILLIAMS: was a funny story about those plates. 0000054048 00000 n We become the children of the covenant, and our souls need the truths of the restored gospel, the priesthood and ordinances that follow, the power of the Book of Mormon, and the safety that comes from prophets and apostles.. MIJA RIEDEL: [Laughs.] It naturally evokes those, because it's so hands-on, it's so tactile. The world is full of information and influences entertainment, social media, the internet, philosophies from every direction. They're just the overblown concrete monstrosities that this local dentist made that were still there. Neil Williams was a top jockey, I remember him winning premierships in Brisbane, was the top rider there. I wanted to ask you about [. And so, I detached from trying to identify how I fit in that. It would be nice to be included more in some of these things but I don'tit's my fault, I don't make the effort, and I don't have the energy for it. It was hard work, physically, but I knew it was special. MIJA RIEDEL: So, in your experience, she never drew a line and said she was done with that? This is what I'm supposed to be doing." I think Manuel was there in the late 50s, early 60s, too, wasn't he? Create your account , it takes less than a minute, Dont let the game play you; gamble responsibly. I don't know. But I know he really fed her a lot of reinforcement in what she was doing. And your mother? NEIL WILLIAMS: I mean, they were together a long, long time. It's like Noguchi would say, "It's an interesting phenomenon. An amazing colorist. What a different way of thinking about an audience. NEIL WILLIAMS: And, she's got a great level of appreciation for arts, and she's been really, really good, reallyshe's tough though, too. NEIL WILLIAMS: Completely positive, radiant. My work was being shown and sold through Dorothy Weiss at the same time. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. I mean, come on. And you're taking criticisms, like the great Woody Allen quote about when he didn't show up to receive the Oscar for Annie Hall, and they found him outside of a club. She was in NCECA. Did I understand you say that? NEIL WILLIAMS: for the rest of their life. I think about little quotes and stuff all the time about, you know, some from Charles or some from other artists orthey stick with me. NEIL WILLIAMS: And luckily I wentgot connected with her, and not some other instructor at the time who could have impacted it elsewhere, because they would have said, "Ah"so many of them would say, "Ah, the vessel. NEIL WILLIAMS: that's why some of her students were good and excelled and a lot of them were like, "What is she?" I remember, I used to read all kinds of stuff. And they always seem to have their rewards. R&S takes all care in the preparation of information appearing on the site, but accepts no responsibility nor warrants the accuracy of the information displayed. NEIL WILLIAMS: He thought it was beautiful, the little old ladies hanging up. They were letting you know how magnificent your full-sized ashtray was." The law states that we can store cookies on your device if they are strictly necessary for the operation of this site. We're in Oakland, there is no there there without those trees." And now him, her, and Squeak kind of went back and forth at a certain time when Squeak was getting out and getting established. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah, and people from all over the world, which was really fascinating to me, because we were all on the same, kind ofunexploredit was new territory. MIJA RIEDEL: And you were married 10 years ago roughly? $ 199.99 Neal Williams - 2013 Soundgarden - New York Concert Poster. MIJA RIEDEL: So, your Freshman year, the end of the first term? Gambling Help on 1800 858 858 or visit www.gamblinghelponline.org.au. I have to carve away certain layers as it dries, so it holds its shape and its form, and doesn't collapse. He had a great background from San Jose State. So, there's a meditative, you have to beI have to be in the rightyou know, and being a big guy with club hands isI like that. MIJA RIEDEL: You were mentioning a younger friend who has been a significant part. ", "Neil is a great person to work with on every level. Gambling Help on 1800 858 858 or visit www.gamblinghelponline.org.au. A unique soul with a great personality has an amazing sense of humour, diligent and caring. And you should be changed by it. Mario Ferrante was there at the time, and he had even kind of taken over, filled a really important role as kind of a surrogate father to me, because my own was MIA though, he was very detached. I did things like Rosen [ph], I did Lincoln Center. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, writers, you know, all kinds of writers, yeah. It's like, "Wow, I can't believe I made that.". But. It's how you want to be remembered, children in artwork, sosome of theI can see the university and art school things certainly are very, very important. I'd love to have more commercial success, because it would buy me the ability and the security to make better and more beautiful work, I think. She'd have a show in L.A. or Rena's, so we would go to fly down there, and there's 100 body parts laying there and the stricken gallerylook on this gallery dealer's face, and like, "Ahh." NEIL WILLIAMS: So there was a functional aspect to production pottery that certainly helped. He was one of the many riders who take their worst tumble after they hang up the saddle. There is a memorial at Caulfield that lists the names of 873 Australian jockeys killed in race falls, but no one keeps the other casualty list: of the suicides and self-destruction. You have to be in complete embrace with it. I was actually working still with drawing and painting, but with only clay and marks and light and shadow, and not paint and pencil. Like I said, she was also Viola's lifeline, I know, too. It's all low fire, yeah? I think thatfor me, when she started doing the larger works and the color fields, I didn't feel the emotional connection that she had with them before. He was up there. NEIL WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. WebNeil Williams: After his suicide in 1999 his widow said hed come to hate racing after a close friend had been killed in a race at Canterbury six years earlier Stathi Katsidis: The 31 It reads as one form. A life so beautifully lived deserves to be beautifully remembered. [Laughs. NEIL WILLIAMS: Like, "Oh, what a beautiful red" and she would layer colors like she would painting. NEIL WILLIAMS: I certainly could find that for you and supplement, but I do notI. There was a symbol of power to her, the man in the suit. I don't know, floral or feathering. He saysit was so bad, Mario was literally in his tent with a flashlight on his head so he could draw in the middle of the night to finish these assignments. 0000053437 00000 n This is not an easy path.". Rena can probably attest to that. She was very enlightened in her time about a number of thingscivil rights, human rights. So there was a certain contagiousness aboutyou know, you're around with someone, I don't know if the molecules meld or morph or whatever they do, but there's some transference going on there. She did. But, so as far as fitting into the bigger picture of the art world, the American art market, American art world, I justit's pretty simple. What Are We? Not just everyone who wanted to grab her once they saw this incredible cache of artwork in her backyard. Washington,DC20001, 300 Park Avenue SouthSuite 300 MIJA RIEDEL: Socialite or socialist, or both? She was very patient and shesized people up and, as far as what would be the best fit for Viola. NEIL WILLIAMS: The paintings became spectacular. [Laughs.] And he said, you know, they look like, "She's crazy; she's definitely crazy. They were really good. And this is just a freshrelatively recent passing of alocal, prominent, prolific artist, NEIL WILLIAMS: female artist. NEIL WILLIAMS: And so I didn't know when I was getting out of high school, I wasn't sure what to do, and I ended upthey gave me scholarships to go to Arts and Crafts. In the meantime, she was producing stuff like crazy. NEIL WILLIAMS: I'm feeling much better, thank you. 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